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Bonjour,

Quelqu'un à une idée sur la date de plublication des résultats de CMT? Mercredi ou jeudi?

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Si on veut avoir le meme per entre atw et bcp, le cours de cette dérniére devrait être entre 400 dhs et 410 dhs
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ADH : c'est le moment ideale pour se positionner ,pondérer,ou renforcer.
BCP : je ne comprend pas pourquoi cette Jou9a sur un titre qui va revenir à 325 DH
ADI : 715 DH est le cible le plus proche.
BER : un rendez-vous à 310 DH
CIH : long chemin à parcourir les prix des hotels sont pour financer pas à distribuer premier cible 305 DH.
(à suivre...) Very Happy
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aben a écrit:
CIH: Je pense que le management de la banque a laissé wahed 90 millions de dhs pour autres dotations aux oprovisions qui seront surement reprises pour la fin de l'année comme ça le new management pourront montrer qu'ils ont fait du bon boulot.

kelkin a plus de details sur la vente des hotels (prix) ainsi que sur la transaction MLE et SOF: peut etre chi dividende exceprtionnel!!!!!!

aw des hotels délabrés valent mieux que mle et sof ?
Mais non, pas de div exepetionnel, la banque a besoin encore de consolider ses fonds propres. Elle a meme proposé l'année dérniére la conversion du dividende en actions....sans parler de l'augmentation du capital en 2010.

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Pelican a écrit:
Si on veut avoir le meme per entre atw et bcp, le cours de cette dérniére devrait être entre 400 dhs et 410 dhs

Google a écrit:
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ADH : c'est le moment ideale pour se positionner ,pondérer,ou renforcer.
BCP : je ne comprend pas pourquoi cette Jou9a sur un titre qui va revenir à 325 DH
ADI : 715 DH est le cible le plus proche.
BER : un rendez-vous à 310 DH
CIH : long chemin à parcourir les prix des hotels sont pour financer pas à distribuer premier cible 305 DH.
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Pelican a écrit:
aben a écrit:
CIH: Je pense que le management de la banque a laissé wahed 90 millions de dhs pour autres dotations aux oprovisions qui seront surement reprises pour la fin de l'année comme ça le new management pourront montrer qu'ils ont fait du bon boulot.

kelkin a plus de details sur la vente des hotels (prix) ainsi que sur la transaction MLE et SOF: peut etre chi dividende exceprtionnel!!!!!!

aw des hotels délabrés valent mieux que mle et sof ?
Mais non, pas de div exepetionnel, la banque a besoin encore de consolider ses fonds propres. Elle a meme proposé l'année dérniére la conversion du dividende en actions....sans parler de l'augmentation du capital en 2010.


En plus d'une opération de titrisation qui devait se faire en juin 2009 et qui n' a pas été concrétiser. Mais il semblerait qu'elle soit toujours d'actualité.
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disway ?? des informations sur ces resultats stp ??
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adilos a écrit:
Salam

tout le monde cherche les plus value sans penser à Hlal oula Hram. on ne fait pas de différence, sociétés dial chrab oul lbira, société dial riba koulchi meziane... lmohim la plus value.
et après on dit 3lach il y a trop de cancer et de maladies incurables ! rah flouss lhram hta homa parmi les causes ?

que penser vous ?

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قال الله تعالى (وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى ثُمَّ إِلَى رَبِّكُم مَّرْجِعُكُمْ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ إِنَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ{7}سورة الزمر

قُلْ إِنَّ رَبِّي يَبْسُطُ الرِّزْقَ لِمَنْ يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ وَيَقْدِرُ لَهُ وَمَا أَنْفَقْتُمْ مِنْ شَيْءٍ فَهُوَ يُخْلِفُهُ وَهُوَ خَيْرُ الرَّازِقِينَ

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Présentation des résultats S1 de HPS le 29 Septembre 2010 :

http://www.casablanca-bourse.com/bourseweb/DetailEvenement.aspx?IdArticle=201&IdLangue=1
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Pelican a écrit:
Si on veut avoir le meme per entre atw et bcp, le cours de cette dérniére devrait être entre 400 dhs et 410 dhs

est ce que c'est pas l'inverse ?
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abk1 a écrit:
Pelican a écrit:
Si on veut avoir le meme per entre atw et bcp, le cours de cette dérniére devrait être entre 400 dhs et 410 dhs

est ce que c'est pas l'inverse ?

QUE PENSEZ VOUS DE ATW EST CE LE MOMENT POUR ACHETER
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For a few banking bucks

Put it in another way: how is the Moroccan financial capitalism performing? not too bad as the data shows, though it comes to the expense -no pun intended- of the consumers. It is their plight to submit to the high fees and expenses their banks charge them, while service quality and innovation are clearly not worth it. And it is not like one can benefit from competition: banking market behaves more like a cooperative oligopoly, and each bank treasures a much lucrative rent, each one prefers to keep living on it, rather than go on the market for the kill to get some market shares. So there you are: an oligopolistic market and little benefits for the consumer. Or does it? One might think that these high fees are just a sort of a levy, a way to channel the money to fund and some productive investments. Not necessarily public-oriented, but investments that could create jobs and drive the economy forward. Again, nothing is further from the facts. Let there be no misunderstanding: the Moroccan banking system has accomplished wonders, whether in updating its laws and regulations system, as well as its extension, even beyond domestic market, in less than a decade. This progress however, did not benefit to the many, only to the few, contrary to what was expected.
Consumers do pay high fees, but that does not get to the bottom of our issue: are our banks really fat cats? do they enjoy high margins, do they deliver high earnings? Do they deliver them to a small and inward-looking group of shareholders? I tried to gather some figures, and the results are quite puzzling. Some were expected, others less so. Let us go through the whole thing step by step.
The Banking market in Morocco is, in terms of number of players, clearly an oligopolistic market: according to the Casablanca Stock Exchange website, there are 6 banks on the secondary market, with about 30% direct market capitalization of the overall listed shares:
Attijari Wafabank,Séance du Mardi 28 septembre 2010 - Page 6 Banks_logo
Crédit du Maroc (CDM),
Crédit Hôtellier et Industriel (CIH),
Banque Marocaine du Commerce Extérieur (BMCE)
Banque Marocaine du Commerce et d’Industrie (BMCI)
Banque Centrale Populaire (BCP),To these 6 banks, there must be added the state-owned Crédit Agricole (CAM) and the Moroccan subsidy of the French bank Société Générale (SGMB). according to their financial statements for 2009, these banks (save perhaps the CIH, due to its past financial difficulties) have delivered quite satisfactory results, as indeed the table on the right-hand side clearly show. Being a bank shareholder surely is quite lucrative. In 2009, the main CSE index, the MASI (Moroccan All Shares Index), delivered on average a rate of return of about 5%. Following the data I got from their respective financial statements, only two banks (CAM and CIH) delivered a lower rate of return compared to the average index return. One of them, CIH, has the handicap of past shady business deals, the other is a Public Bank, and is not constrained by the same required rate of return in a financial market.This is only a first sketch of results. Indeed, the idea is to compare the pattern of behaviour of the banks’ stocks to the rest of the market. This is just to have an idea of how correlated their value is to the other non-banking stocks. This is achieved by plotting the day-to-day bank stock performances vs the MASI index, through a customized composite bank index (a very basic indicator that is computed with respect to each bank’s share weight and their performance) January 2009 is considered base day. In other words, the Composite Banks Index (CBI) is computed as follows:Séance du Mardi 28 septembre 2010 - Page 6 Index_computThe result on the graph is a bit messy, so we shall keep only the CBI vs MASI, and the graphic result is quite odd. Odd because the overall Bank share of the CSE amounts, as computed before, to less than 30% (according to the MASI weightings, the banking sector accounts for 29.51% of the overall index capitalization, while IAM alone accounts for 20%). The interpretation of it is that the day-to-day valuation of bank shares does not differ significantly from the other stocks, while on average, these deliver higher dividends, ceteris paribus.Séance du Mardi 28 septembre 2010 - Page 6 Masi_banks1
the evidence shows strong correlation between the banks' index and the MASI.
The index has however a setback, for it fails to compute the daily fluctuations of both SGMB and CAM, though it would be safe to presume that the first one will most probably behave in a comparable manner, and the second does not fit to any financial comparison. On the whole, the index comparison results hold. The routine tests one could run on the data set do confirm a very close correlation between both series (to name only one, the correlation coefficient is .95, regression R-square .91). www bourse-maroc .forume biz .The level of dividends is however quite different. Although there is no immediate available data, the preliminary results show that the banks deliver dividends at a higher rate and more often than comparable companies in size and profits. While it is perfectly understandable that Moroccan banks have to create value for their shareholders, they seem to achieve this objective not through investing and lending money to businesses, but quite often by levying high fees on their customers, which induces less risk and immediate profit for them. On the long run, such strategy destroys actual value.It is therefore agreed that the banks deliver high dividends. But do they? By computing both time series, on can get an overall β of 1.0818 for the banking sector. The βeta measures the sensitivity to market returns, and the computed Beta confirms the close relation admitted earlier on. Let us now take a look at the following formula:Séance du Mardi 28 septembre 2010 - Page 6 Expected_rate2 where r(b) is the required rate of return for banks, β the banking sector beta, r(f) the risk-free return(which amounts to the the real interest the Treasury bonds service, around 1.4% on domestic markets, much less abroad) and E(Rm) is the expected market return, which, in our case, amounts to the MASI return (5% in 2009).Séance du Mardi 28 septembre 2010 - Page 6 Moroccan_banks1
The banks, on average, have outperformed their sector/own required rate of return, and managed to deliver high value to their shareholders
The average required return for the banking sector in Morocco was, in 2009, of 5.49%, a required return easily beaten by all but two banks (Not Applicable to the Crédit Agricole and s for CIH the share value took a beating and lost 20% over 2009 YoY). Even when computed with each bank’s own required rate (the SGMB‘s was computed with the sector Beta), the main result remained unchanged, the banks are very profitable enterprise in Morocco indeed.Next question is, where does the money come from? the graph shows high margin commission rates; intuitively, that could be interpreted as a very profitable fee structure, that makes up for about a tenth of the net banking income. It is definitely lucrative for the banks to levy high fees and charge their customers for their miscellaneous operations, arguably something the banks should not be very keen on, since it is quite difficult to justify the present level of banking fees with respect to the quality of service. On the other hand, the banks spend relatively little money on investment instruments. The consolidated financial statements provide good evidence on the matter: While the total banking gross revenue was around MAD 40 Bn, the aggregate margin on commissions reached MAD 5.1 Bn, a ratio rate of 12%.On the upper side of the balance sheets, the total customers’ deposits amounted to MAD 655 Bn opposite to a total lending of MAD 400 Bn (the total national lendings amount to MAD 597 billion). The lending makes up for 82% of the total M3 aggregate (MAD 792.87 Bn, Q4 2009). These lendings are weight-biased towards specific types: Housing mortgage (MAD 103 Bn) Equipment lendings (MAD 119 Bn) Overdraft facilities (MAD 139 Bn). Arguably, it is understandable to charge high fees for overdraft (no need to fuel monetary inflation) but it seems contradictory that housing mortgage (which makes up for a third of the overall economic debt) should be positively discriminate in the high fees policy, especially when the central banks lowers the monetary rate to keep the money flowing in: although it is quite difficult to get to fine details (or rather, I am getting a bit tired going through columns and columns of balance sheets), it is reasonable to suggest that the levy on mortgage is quite important, a policy which contradicts, as mentioned before, the official public policy. So there you go: the banks are unambiguously benefiting from high profits, which do not come from financial operations. The permanently available financial instruments (for sale) account for MAD 50 Bn, 20% more than the annual gross revenue, which gives a fair idea of how comparatively important the day-to-day -thus fee lucrative- operations are for the banks. Last but not least, most of the banks are under-capitalized (total market cap of MAD 30 Bn) that might be good for business, but it just gives them an unfair leveraged advantage which might turn against the customers in the event of a stronger negative shock.One last thing: the shareholders of these banks, those who benefit from flowing cash (the net after dividend total available cash for 2009 was around MAD 20 Bn) are not individuals with small stakes on the markets, nor pension or mutual funds: large companies, with powerful political and economic connections control these banks, and certainly not to the benefit of the consumer, and therefore, the common citizen. Are the bankers Fat Cats? yes they are. domestic entities such as SNI-ONA or Finance.com, and foreign (mostly French) companies such as Groupe Crédit Agricole, or Société Générale are the one that are making good use of deposited money – and making people paying dearly for it.Put it in another form: how is Moroccan financial capitalism performing? It is a plight for Moroccan consumers to submit to the high fees and expenses their banks charge them, while service quality and innovation are clearly not worth it. And it is not like one can benefit from competition: banking market behaves more like a cooperative oligipoly, and each bank treasures a much lucrative rent, prefers to keep living on it, rather than go on the market for the kill to get some market shares. So there you are: an oligopolistic market and little benefit for the consumer. Or does it?Consumers do pay high fees, but that does not get to the bottom of our issue: are our banks really fat cats? do they enjoy high margins, do they deliver high earnings? I tried to gather some figures, and the results are quite puzzling. Let us go through the whole thing step by step.The Banking market in Morocco is, in terms of number of players, clearly an oligopolistic market: according to the Casablanca Stock Exchange (http://www.casablanca-bourse.com/bourseweb/Liste-Societe.aspx?IdLink=20&Cat=7), the


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